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[livejournal.com profile] velvetpage bought some unrefined salt. Its packaging describes it as "organic."

Organic salt?

Organic salt?

Pardon me, while my inner tech writer fantasizes about hunting down and killing a marketing copywriter.

Date: 2009-02-17 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zenten.livejournal.com
That's because the creation of new words is an organic process.

Date: 2009-02-17 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dagoski.livejournal.com
I can think of a very round about way to get organic salt, but, ewwww.

Date: 2009-02-17 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
It's not the creation of a new word, it's the misuse of an old word in the service of marketing. You might as well describe it as Electric Salt or Radioactive Salt. And, in fact, marketing people have done that before, back in the days when anything electrical or radioactive was considered better.

One expects them to suddenly revive the use of the word "Galvanic" as a marketing term to...

Oh... they did that already. (http://images.google.ca/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=galvanic+health&btnG=Search+Images)

Of course, all words are organic, since they are the product of living brains. :)
Edited Date: 2009-02-17 03:00 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-02-17 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zenten.livejournal.com
I think it's moved beyond that though, considering there are laws regarding "organic foods".

Date: 2009-02-17 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
New! All natural Star-Salt! Collected from clothing stains in the armpits and crotches of celebrities! Guaranteed*!

*Celebrities consist of 99% imprisoned notorious murders, Carrot Top, and local radio show hosts.

Date: 2009-02-17 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
Yes. I agree! It's deliberately misleading. Bring me my bow of burning gold: Bring me my arrows of desire: Bring me my spear: O clouds unfold! Bring me my chariot of fire!

Date: 2009-02-17 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athelind.livejournal.com
Image (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/M-113_creature)

Date: 2009-02-17 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zenten.livejournal.com
Gold isn't flammable.

Date: 2009-02-17 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zenten.livejournal.com
Also, what are you doing making image searches at work with safe surf off? ;)

Date: 2009-02-17 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
I like to pretend I come across furry porn accidentally. :)

Date: 2009-02-17 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
She could be the spokesperson!

Date: 2009-02-17 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stress-kitten.livejournal.com
Hah!

One of Frazer's vendettas is against the use of the label "organic" on food. All food is organic! (Well, excepting salt as we've just established). If it wasn't organic, it wouldn't be food!

The fact that he's fighting a lost battle is irrelevant. It's like the fact that the word decimate was misused for so long that the OED finally accepted the alternate version as also correct. It was such a good word, too. That really irritates him.

Date: 2009-02-17 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
YES! Decimate! That was a good word, a specific word, with specific meaning implicit in it. Now it means something vague along the lines of "total destruction."

Date: 2009-02-17 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snobahr.livejournal.com
Post that to [livejournal.com profile] cranky_editors. Muahahaha!

Date: 2009-02-17 03:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thebitterguy
Which makes it even better for burning.

Date: 2009-02-17 04:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thebitterguy
While that's true, the term is generally supposed to be used to refer to foodstuffs prepared using specific methods, as opposed to mass produced in factory farms.

Date: 2009-02-17 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] viktor-haag.livejournal.com
Presumably the word applies to the process by which the salt arrived at your table, and not the salt itself. For example, a quick look at wikipedia reveals that for ordinary "table salt", the process of "refining" involves adding a variety of wonderful things to the salt to "make it flow freely and prevent caking", &c.

Shades of meta-dioxin.

Date: 2009-02-17 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
Oh, I know THAT. It's just "unrefined" salt. Or rather, "less refined salt," because raw sea salt isn't so good for food.

I don't like that they're slapping the word "organic" on it. It's meaningless in this context. It's still being collected by some kind of industrial process. It is NOT raw sea salt. It's just being put in a smaller package.

Date: 2009-02-17 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
Yes, I know. In the same way that "Galvanic" and "Ultraviolet" and "Magnetic" are applied as adjectives to water.

However, it's especially meaningless in this case, because it's not farmed. It's still being collected in SOME kind of industrial process, and refined to some degree.

Date: 2009-02-17 04:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thebitterguy
Oh, God, yes. Using it to refer to salt is just ludicrous. There's already enough strange "make it more expensive" qualifiers to slap onto that.

Date: 2009-02-17 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
Let's go beat up some hippies! We'll take your Smart car, to confuse 'em!

Date: 2009-02-17 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leonard-arlotte.livejournal.com
I frequently find that 'organic' refers to the type of fertilizer used to create the food product.

So maybe they're just admitting that their 'unrefining' process is just full of manure.

Date: 2009-02-17 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
I might!

Date: 2009-02-17 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
I suspect you might be correct. I also suspect they just buy "kosher salt", put it through a grinder and call it "organic."

Date: 2009-02-17 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] relee.livejournal.com
Like Nanotechnology Pants! (http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/07/18/popsci.nantech.pants/)

Date: 2009-02-17 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] viktor-haag.livejournal.com
As long as the grinder can be shown not to leave heavy metal particulates in the output... 8)

Date: 2009-02-17 06:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taluagel.livejournal.com
I've always HATED the term Organic in the way its used now adays. Bugs me like how even at the age of 10 the science expert in Alien plainly states "It must be some sort of molecular acid".

The terms original meaning is with or from Organs, it will never make sense to me used outside of that context.

Date: 2009-02-17 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taluagel.livejournal.com
I think its more along the lines that their company is full of shit.

Date: 2009-02-17 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madmanofprague.livejournal.com
She's probably looking for work... (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1859611/)

Date: 2009-02-17 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madmanofprague.livejournal.com
Dude, the robot was programmed by a giant interstellar megacorp. Of course they're going to cut corners on the programming expenses...

Date: 2009-02-18 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redeem147.livejournal.com
My husband who took chemical technology says that organic means no chemicals were used in the processing. So, yeah, it's organic.

Date: 2009-02-18 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catsarah.livejournal.com
because sodium chloride is no chemical ;)

Date: 2009-02-18 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
But... some chemicals are organic! And they DO use chemicals to process sea salt for "organic" sea salt!

Date: 2009-02-18 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redeem147.livejournal.com
Obviously, everything is made of chemicals. But in the processing of the salt it isn't treated with chemicals.

Date: 2009-02-18 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
I'm pretty sure, though, that "organic" is simply being used as a sort of "healthy" adjective, rather than a technical term.

Date: 2009-02-18 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catsarah.livejournal.com
unless it's iodized and then it is!

Date: 2009-02-18 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
I think the sea salt stuff lacks iodine, but they do something to it to remove the unpalatable chemicals that exist naturally in sea salt.

Date: 2009-02-18 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hossblacksilver.livejournal.com
Is kosher salt circumcised? *ducks thrown objects*

Date: 2009-02-18 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hossblacksilver.livejournal.com
I agree completely on the word decimate.

The army's been decimated?
So, we're at 90% strength? Press the attack.

Date: 2009-02-18 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hossblacksilver.livejournal.com
I vant to suck your salt.

I want to press a-salt charges, Captain!

Date: 2009-02-19 03:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrs-dm.livejournal.com
Sure they use chemicals to process sea salt. Dangerous ones too, like dihydrogen oxide;)

Date: 2009-02-19 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
Oh, wow! That stuff eats through iron, and turns copper green!

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