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I predict John McCain will probably win the election down south, though perhaps by an inconcievably narrow margin. It strikes me that both sides draw support from very stratified classes of voters, and the numbers don't change much. (I ignore, for now, the possibility of coordinated voting fraud, though I do not think it a zany conspiracy theory. That sort of thing happens around the world, all the time.)

That said, choosing Palin as a veep will at least make the shallower sort of Republican happier about voting for McCain, because she's young(ish) and personable, and has never, ever sang "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" to the tune of "Barbara Ann".

Date: 2008-08-29 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pwned-kisa.livejournal.com
**noticeably remains quiet** Good kittens!

Date: 2008-08-29 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
Naw, you can mew about stuff if you want.

Me, I'd vote for Obama if I lived down there.

Date: 2008-08-29 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pwned-kisa.livejournal.com
Okay, seeing as I tend to be more anarchist than anything else, and don't support the way my government is run, and have a willful ignorance of the news (as it's pretty much completely depressing, slanted, and in the end doesn't really have an effect on my life) my opinion might not be worth anything to anyone other than myself.

So saying that, and also prefacing that I think the only way my government will actually "get better" is by a temporary destruction in toto and then a restructuring of it, I think that having McCain and the "more of the same GWB" policies running our government would be a good thing. That way, other countries would get so fed up with the American BS and we'd have to pull our heads out of our asses.

Just this kitten's opinion, though. And, yes, my philosophy is the reason that I don't vote, or, typically, talk politics. Most people don't want to hear what I have to say, and if I don't support the government, then I'm going to try not to influence it. I ignore it, it'll ignore me, pretty much.

Date: 2008-08-29 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madmanofprague.livejournal.com
I ignore it, it'll ignore me, pretty much.

Do you live in a bucket under the stairs leading to the fallout shelter, or something?

Date: 2008-08-29 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pwned-kisa.livejournal.com
No, and, yes, I do live pretty close to DC. It just so happens that I also live pretty pragmatically and have a "well, I'm going to die eventually, and have no clue when that time is. Might as well not worry about the future, because as far as I know, there isn't one." If Something Happens that I'd need a fall-out shelter, then chances are, it'll be enough to completely restructure the government. If not, then life pretty much goes on same as today. Either way, I'm either dead and don't have to worry about it, or life is the same and don't have to worry about it.

Date: 2008-08-29 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madmanofprague.livejournal.com
There's a pretty big gap between "Doing okay" and "Radiation is making my face melt."

Date: 2008-08-29 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
Or, as is more likely, "Doing okay" and "Unemployed, uinsured."

Date: 2008-08-29 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madmanofprague.livejournal.com
"Slowly dying of untreated diabetes" and other suburban plagues...

Date: 2008-08-29 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pwned-kisa.livejournal.com
Which might actually make the people in America get up off their collective butts and do something besides pull a ballot to change the way our government is going.

Date: 2008-08-29 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
Like start a third party?

Date: 2008-08-29 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bodhifox.livejournal.com
We have many political parties. It's just that the two in power have no reason to allow them to flourish.

Date: 2008-08-29 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
Granted - my comment should be - Vote for one.

Or start one that isn't Libertarian or lame. :)

Date: 2008-08-29 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pwned-kisa.livejournal.com
Like start a third party. Like get rid of all of the redundant laws. Like make it so that states are more in governing themselves than someone in a Place of Power trying to govern fifty very disparate states filled with very different people. Like make people get off of Welfare instead of abusing it. Like taking away our support of third world countries and focusing on our own problems so that no one can say we're "big brothering" it and hate us for constantly getting into other countries issues. Like a half dozen other things I could name off the top that's wrong with this government's set-up, currently.

Date: 2008-08-29 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
So, why not vote for a third party?

Date: 2008-08-29 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pwned-kisa.livejournal.com
Yes, there is. Which is why I'm really not worried about it. Right now, most would consider America to be "doing okay," compared to "our faces are about to melt." Are there things that could happen that would make it more of melting than okay? Sure. Just as there are things that we could do to prevent it. Chances are, if we're going to go to the "faces melting" stage, it's not going to matter who's voted in - our parties are so similar as to make the distinction pretty much a moot point. If we're not going to get to that point, then McCain is far more likely to get more people pissed off at us, but Obama's bound to do the same. Either way, no matter who wins, the next four years, unless Something Major happens, it's going to be just like the previous four, or the four before that or... well, you get the idea.

Date: 2008-08-29 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madmanofprague.livejournal.com
Yeah, but there is no American Face to get melted off collectively. There's the individual suffering and quality of life of every person administered to by Old Whitey and Friends,™ and the millions of tiny decisions each day that they affect.

Date: 2008-08-29 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pwned-kisa.livejournal.com
**sighs** And this is why I'm normally quiet about politics. I'll shut up now.

Date: 2008-08-29 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madmanofprague.livejournal.com
First and foremost, anarchism means ownership of one's own political responsibility and effect, on all scales. Choosing to ignore the situation because it's hard to see clearly doesn't help anyone.

Date: 2008-08-29 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pwned-kisa.livejournal.com
I choose to ignore the situation because it's something that I can afford to ignore. As far as it relates to me, the big picture is this: Either way the voting goes, it doesn't matter. Neither candidate is different enough to actually change anything, or "make things better." About the only thing that would change things "make things better" would be something that most Americans aren't willing to do. So, then, either way, it doesn't matter who's voted in.

As far as ownership and political responsibility of cause and effect, I have that. It's just that I'm not a humanitarian, and my voicing the opinions that I have is far more likely to spur aggressive conversation (ie drama) in a journal that isn't my own, and that's not fair to anyone.

Date: 2008-08-29 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madmanofprague.livejournal.com
"Making things better," for most people, is the kind of small details that administrators and beaurocrats actually can change. Public funded healthcare, for example. Or investing in public works. It's not like we're blatantly ignoring some other utopian system lurking at the bottom of a revolutionary precipice; close up on any governmental body and you'll find the same petty corruption and favour-brokering economy. The details of those senate meetings and the transcripts of those question periods hold the reality of who gets what when and why. I mean, seriously, where do you get your food?

Date: 2008-08-29 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
..it's going to be just like the previous four, or the four before that or...

Well, in the four years before Bush, US household incomes had risen by more than $7K. In 1999 your dollar was worth almost $1.70 Canadian. Now they're at par.

In 1999, the U.S. annual defense budget was about $260 billion - today it's $650 billion and that doesn't include the total cost of the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 1999, 94,000 Iraq civillians had not died as a direct cause of the U.S. invasion, not to mention 4,150 US soldiers and several hundred soldiers from other nations. One should also remember the 10-15,000 Iraqi soldiers who died in the initial invasion, payment for the 2,751 Americans who died on 9/11. Which, PS, happened on the Repulican watch.

Essentially, what I'm saying is that, while YOU may be currently "okay," there can be substantial differences in the way parties govern. They are not all the same, nor even always the lesser of evils.

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